Buffet e os "outros" - Dá que pensar...
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Zenith Escreveu:Jesse James Escreveu:Os "outros" somos (quase) todos nós...
Applying the Buffett doctrine
Commentary: Some of the 'Oracle's' bets are hurting
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- If Warren Buffett is buying stocks, should you?
The answer, unequivocally, is yes. That is, if you can get Warren's terms. And even if you can get those sweet deals, be careful.
Those are the warnings investors should heed after Buffett's now infamous commentary published in the New York Times on Friday, "Buy American. I Am." Judging by the market's response -- the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up nearly 3% in afternoon trading -- investors are following America's most famous investor. But those same investors should be careful. It's not that Buffett isn't smart, he is. But at this stage of the game, Warren Buffett doesn't buy stocks on the open market by calling his broker, he buys them in bulk.
For instance, he didn't just go out and buy battered shares of General Electric Co. on the open market Oct. 1. He also received $3 billion in special, preferred stock. Those shares will pay a 10% dividend for at least three years and if, after that, GE wants to buy it back they will have to pay him 10%. Buffett also got warrants to buy GE stock that at the time was worth a 13% discount to existing shares.
The same principle applied with his investment in Goldman Sachs Group Inc. just a week earlier. Buffett again bought $5 billion in preferred stock. He'll get the same 10% dividend and $5 billion in warrants at $115.
The problem for Buffett is that his warrants were becoming worthless as GE and Goldman stock fell. One cheap, easy way for Buffett to reverse his losses is by penning an editorial using his huge sway, folksy style, and hints of patriotism to stir up some buying.
Investors should, in the end, be mindful of Buffett's advice, "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."
And when the "others" are investors driving very greedy sweetheart deals?
Wait until you can get your own.
-- David Weidner
Há duas maneiras de perder dinhero em bolsa:
comprar na altura errada ou comprar as acções erradas.
O WB diz que é a altura certa para comprar. Depois das quedas as coisas começam a estar baratas e faz sentido comprar. Agora a questão é o que comprar?
Olhando por exemplo para o sector bancário. Temos uma crise financeira, o sistema bancário vai-se recompor, mas neste processo vai haver os sobreviventes que ficam mais fortes mas também vai haver haver muitos bancos que vão ser decapitados.
O sistema bancário como um todo, a muito longo prazo tem boas perespectivas, mas em quais dos bancos investir? Alguém é capaz de dizer quais os bancos que vão falir (ou nacionalizados) e quais aqueles que vão sobreviver e crescer sobre os cadaveres dos moribundos?
O WB pelos conhecimentos e longa experiência que têm é certamente capaz de fazer as apostas certas, mas para o investidor individual ou mesmo para um profissional que não seja Buffett, ser capaz de neste momento identificar quem irá sobreviver não é tarefa nada fácil.
Zenith
Relativo aos considerados sobre o Buffet eu não posso estar de acordo porque como se pode ler nesta publicação aqui no caldeirao o Buffet diz que:«Buffett afirma que "é a altura certa" para investir em acções dos EUA
17/10/2008
Warren Buffett, um dos investidores mais conhecidos a nível mundial, considera que esta “é a altura certa” para apostar nas acções dos EUA. Admite mesmo vir a transferir todos os seus investimento pessoais, distintos dos da Berkshire Hathaway, empresa que lidera, para as acções norte-americanas.
Num artigo de opinião publicado na edição de ontem do “New York Times”, da autoria de Warren Buffet, intitulado de “Buy american. I am.” (Compre na América. Eu estou a comprar.), o multimilionário afirma que “uma simples regra dita as minhas compras: Tem receio quando os outros são gananciosos, e sê ganancioso quando os outros estão receosos”.
Na opinião do investidor, os receios “exagerados” relativamente à prosperidade de longo-prazo de muitas grandes companhias norte-americanas são “infundados”, salientando que a maior parte destas empresas deverá apresentar resultados recorde nos anos vindouros.
No curto-prazo, subsistem dúvidas quanto às movimentações dos mercados accionistas. “Não posso prever esses movimentos. Não tenho a mínima ideia sobre se as acções vão subir ou descer daqui a um mês, ou um ano. O que é provável, no entanto, é que os mercados valorizem talvez até antes do sentimento económico melhorar”, salienta.
Para Buffett, apesar do momento conturbado dos mercados e das más notícias que continuam a surgir, esta pode ser uma boa altura para comprar, e a desconto. Permite “comprar uma ‘fatia’ do futuro dos EUA a preços baixos”, refere o investidor no “New York Times”. Por isso, “se os preços se mantiverem atractivos, os meus investimentos pessoais estarão, em breve, a 100% em acções dos EUA”.»
SUBLINHO: No curto-prazo, subsistem dúvidas quanto às movimentações dos mercados accionistas. “Não posso prever esses movimentos. Não tenho a mínima ideia sobre se as acções vão subir ou descer daqui a um mês, ou um ano. O que é provável, no entanto, é que os mercados valorizem talvez até antes do sentimento económico melhorar”, salienta.
Se não tem ideia de que acções vão subir ou descer como pode o Buffet comprar as melhores no mercado?...O Buffet prevê que todo o mercado acabará por subir com o tempo, mas não sabe quais sobem mais ou sobem menos, neste caso a genialidade que se atribui ao Buffet caí por terra. Pode no entanto o artigo que descrevo o pensamento do Buffet e acima descrito seja pura propaganda.
Sublinho: Estamos a falar do Buffet não do Rmartins, que ninguém conhece e vem aqui mandar uns bitates...
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Jesse James Escreveu:Quis sobretudo salientar a questão que o autor coloca.
O Buffet tem aquela máxima: "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."
Na opinião do autor, ele neste momento está a ser "greedy"
Com o peso que ele tem, devemos nós estar "fearful"?
Eu não estou mas achei interessante a questão levantada.
bn
JJ
Claro que estamos...
Nos nao mas o mercado em si esta' dai tar em baixa...
Quis sobretudo salientar a questão que o autor coloca.
O Buffet tem aquela máxima: "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."
Na opinião do autor, ele neste momento está a ser "greedy"
Com o peso que ele tem, devemos nós estar "fearful"?
Eu não estou mas achei interessante a questão levantada.
bn
JJ
O Buffet tem aquela máxima: "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."
Na opinião do autor, ele neste momento está a ser "greedy"
Com o peso que ele tem, devemos nós estar "fearful"?
Eu não estou mas achei interessante a questão levantada.
bn
JJ
“O dinheiro é a religião do homem de bom senso” – Eurípedes (-480 - 406)
Take the money and run!
Take the money and run!
Re: Buffet e os "outros" - Dá que pensar...
Jesse James Escreveu:Os "outros" somos (quase) todos nós...
Applying the Buffett doctrine
Commentary: Some of the 'Oracle's' bets are hurting
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- If Warren Buffett is buying stocks, should you?
The answer, unequivocally, is yes. That is, if you can get Warren's terms. And even if you can get those sweet deals, be careful.
Those are the warnings investors should heed after Buffett's now infamous commentary published in the New York Times on Friday, "Buy American. I Am." Judging by the market's response -- the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up nearly 3% in afternoon trading -- investors are following America's most famous investor. But those same investors should be careful. It's not that Buffett isn't smart, he is. But at this stage of the game, Warren Buffett doesn't buy stocks on the open market by calling his broker, he buys them in bulk.
For instance, he didn't just go out and buy battered shares of General Electric Co. on the open market Oct. 1. He also received $3 billion in special, preferred stock. Those shares will pay a 10% dividend for at least three years and if, after that, GE wants to buy it back they will have to pay him 10%. Buffett also got warrants to buy GE stock that at the time was worth a 13% discount to existing shares.
The same principle applied with his investment in Goldman Sachs Group Inc. just a week earlier. Buffett again bought $5 billion in preferred stock. He'll get the same 10% dividend and $5 billion in warrants at $115.
The problem for Buffett is that his warrants were becoming worthless as GE and Goldman stock fell. One cheap, easy way for Buffett to reverse his losses is by penning an editorial using his huge sway, folksy style, and hints of patriotism to stir up some buying.
Investors should, in the end, be mindful of Buffett's advice, "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."
And when the "others" are investors driving very greedy sweetheart deals?
Wait until you can get your own.
-- David Weidner
Há duas maneiras de perder dinhero em bolsa:
comprar na altura errada ou comprar as acções erradas.
O WB diz que é a altura certa para comprar. Depois das quedas as coisas começam a estar baratas e faz sentido comprar. Agora a questão é o que comprar?
Olhando por exemplo para o sector bancário. Temos uma crise financeira, o sistema bancário vai-se recompor, mas neste processo vai haver os sobreviventes que ficam mais fortes mas também vai haver haver muitos bancos que vão ser decapitados.
O sistema bancário como um todo, a muito longo prazo tem boas perespectivas, mas em quais dos bancos investir? Alguém é capaz de dizer quais os bancos que vão falir (ou nacionalizados) e quais aqueles que vão sobreviver e crescer sobre os cadaveres dos moribundos?
O WB pelos conhecimentos e longa experiência que têm é certamente capaz de fazer as apostas certas, mas para o investidor individual ou mesmo para um profissional que não seja Buffett, ser capaz de neste momento identificar quem irá sobreviver não é tarefa nada fácil.
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Buffet e os "outros" - Dá que pensar...
Os "outros" somos (quase) todos nós...
Applying the Buffett doctrine
Commentary: Some of the 'Oracle's' bets are hurting
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- If Warren Buffett is buying stocks, should you?
The answer, unequivocally, is yes. That is, if you can get Warren's terms. And even if you can get those sweet deals, be careful.
Those are the warnings investors should heed after Buffett's now infamous commentary published in the New York Times on Friday, "Buy American. I Am." Judging by the market's response -- the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up nearly 3% in afternoon trading -- investors are following America's most famous investor. But those same investors should be careful. It's not that Buffett isn't smart, he is. But at this stage of the game, Warren Buffett doesn't buy stocks on the open market by calling his broker, he buys them in bulk.
For instance, he didn't just go out and buy battered shares of General Electric Co. on the open market Oct. 1. He also received $3 billion in special, preferred stock. Those shares will pay a 10% dividend for at least three years and if, after that, GE wants to buy it back they will have to pay him 10%. Buffett also got warrants to buy GE stock that at the time was worth a 13% discount to existing shares.
The same principle applied with his investment in Goldman Sachs Group Inc. just a week earlier. Buffett again bought $5 billion in preferred stock. He'll get the same 10% dividend and $5 billion in warrants at $115.
The problem for Buffett is that his warrants were becoming worthless as GE and Goldman stock fell. One cheap, easy way for Buffett to reverse his losses is by penning an editorial using his huge sway, folksy style, and hints of patriotism to stir up some buying.
Investors should, in the end, be mindful of Buffett's advice, "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."
And when the "others" are investors driving very greedy sweetheart deals?
Wait until you can get your own.
-- David Weidner
Applying the Buffett doctrine
Commentary: Some of the 'Oracle's' bets are hurting
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- If Warren Buffett is buying stocks, should you?
The answer, unequivocally, is yes. That is, if you can get Warren's terms. And even if you can get those sweet deals, be careful.
Those are the warnings investors should heed after Buffett's now infamous commentary published in the New York Times on Friday, "Buy American. I Am." Judging by the market's response -- the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up nearly 3% in afternoon trading -- investors are following America's most famous investor. But those same investors should be careful. It's not that Buffett isn't smart, he is. But at this stage of the game, Warren Buffett doesn't buy stocks on the open market by calling his broker, he buys them in bulk.
For instance, he didn't just go out and buy battered shares of General Electric Co. on the open market Oct. 1. He also received $3 billion in special, preferred stock. Those shares will pay a 10% dividend for at least three years and if, after that, GE wants to buy it back they will have to pay him 10%. Buffett also got warrants to buy GE stock that at the time was worth a 13% discount to existing shares.
The same principle applied with his investment in Goldman Sachs Group Inc. just a week earlier. Buffett again bought $5 billion in preferred stock. He'll get the same 10% dividend and $5 billion in warrants at $115.
The problem for Buffett is that his warrants were becoming worthless as GE and Goldman stock fell. One cheap, easy way for Buffett to reverse his losses is by penning an editorial using his huge sway, folksy style, and hints of patriotism to stir up some buying.
Investors should, in the end, be mindful of Buffett's advice, "Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful."
And when the "others" are investors driving very greedy sweetheart deals?
Wait until you can get your own.
-- David Weidner
“O dinheiro é a religião do homem de bom senso” – Eurípedes (-480 - 406)
Take the money and run!
Take the money and run!
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