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Re: Artigo de Opinião no NY Times

por redhot » 18/9/2008 15:13

vasco Escreveu:Uma visão sobre este tema:

Need a Job? $17,000 an Hour. No Success Required.

September 18, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Need a Job? $17,000 an Hour. No Success Required.
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Are you capable of taking a perfectly good 158-year-old company and turning it into dust? If so, then you may not be earning up to your full potential.

You should be raking it in like Richard Fuld, the longtime chief of Lehman Brothers. He took home nearly half-a-billion dollars in total compensation between 1993 and 2007.

Last year, Mr. Fuld earned about $45 million, according to the calculations of Equilar, an executive pay research company. That amounts to roughly $17,000 an hour to obliterate a firm. If you’re willing to drive a company into the ground for less, apply by calling Lehman Brothers at (212) 526-7000 .

Oh, nevermind.

I’m delighted to announce that Mr. Fuld (who continues to lead Lehman since it entered bankruptcy proceedings this week) is the winner of my annual Michael Eisner Award for corporate rapacity and poor corporate governance. The award honors the pioneering achievements in this field of Mr. Eisner, the former Walt Disney chief.

This isn’t a plaque that will simply gather dust in a closet. It’s a shower curtain to commemorate the $6,000 one that the former C.E.O. of Tyco purchased and billed to his shareholders.

So, Mr. Fuld, you’ll be pleased to know that I’ve picked out a lovely green vinyl number for you. Only $14.99! Why, I saved you $5,985!

Perhaps it seems frivolous to be handing out shower curtains to chief executives when we’re caught in a deepening economic crisis. Well, it is.

But one of our broad national problems is rising inequality, and it is exacerbated by corporate executives helping themselves to shareholders’ cash. Three decades ago, C.E.O.’s typically earned 30 to 40 times the income of ordinary workers. Last year, C.E.O.’s of large public companies averaged 344 times the average pay of workers.

John McCain seems to think that the problem is that C.E.O.’s are greedy. Well, of course, they are. We’re all greedy. The real failure is one of corporate governance, which provides only the flimsiest oversight to curb the greed of executives like Mr. Fuld.

“Compare the massive destruction of wealth for shareholders to what he gets at the end of the day,” said Lucian Bebchuk, the director of the corporate governance program at Harvard Law School. A central flaw of governance is that boards of directors frequently are ornamental and provide negligible oversight.

As Warren Buffett has said, “in judging whether corporate America is serious about reforming itself, C.E.O. pay remains the acid test.” It’s a test that corporate America is failing.

These Brobdingnagian paychecks are partly the result of taxpayer subsidies. A study released a few weeks ago by the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington found five major elements in the tax code that encourage overpaying executives. These cost taxpayers more than $20 billion a year.

That’s enough money to deworm every child in the world, cut maternal mortality around the globe by two-thirds and also provide iodized salt to prevent tens of millions of children from suffering mild retardation or worse. Alternatively, it could pay for health care for most uninsured children in America.

Do we truly believe that C.E.O.’s like Mr. Fuld are more deserving of tax dollars than sick children?

Perhaps it’s understandable that C.E.O.’s are paid heroically when they succeed, but why pay prodigious sums when they fail? E. Stanley O’Neal, the former chief of Merrill Lynch, retired last year after driving the firm over a cliff, and he walked away with $161 million.

The problem isn’t precisely paychecks that are huge. Baseball stars, investment bankers and hedge fund managers all earn obscene sums, but honestly — through arm’s-length transactions. You and I may gasp, but that’s the free market at work.

In contrast, boards pay C.E.O.’s after negotiations that are often more like pillow talk. Relationships are incestuous, and compensation consultants provide only a thin veer of respectability by finding some “peer group” of companies so moribund that anybody shines in comparison. The result is what critics call the Lake Wobegon effect, which miraculously leaves all C.E.O.’s above average. Indeed, one study of 1,500 companies found that two-thirds claimed to be outperforming their peer groups.

John Kenneth Galbraith, the great economist, once explained: “The salary of the chief executive of a large corporation is not a market award for achievement. It is frequently in the nature of a warm personal gesture by the individual to himself.”

There are widely discussed technical solutions to C.E.O.’s overpaying themselves that we should move toward. We can also learn from Britain and Australia, which offer shareholders more rights than in America, redrawing the balance between shareholders and management and curbing pay in the process.

As for Mr. Fuld, unfortunately, he had no comment for this column. At $17,000 an hour, it probably wasn’t worth his time.


in New York Times, 17-8-2008.

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8-) 8-) Bom artigo...
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por cogumelo » 18/9/2008 15:04

Boa tarde,

Liquidez: bancos centrais injectam 180 mil milhões de USd


Isto serve de alguma coisa, ou trata-se apenas de adiar o inevitável (leia-se falências sucessivas)?

Já ouvi comentadores a dizer que é o fim do sistema capitalista e tal... A história da economia, penso eu, mostra que estas crises sempre existiram.

O que está então a gerar esta sensação de que esta quebra será pior do que as anteriores ao longo da história?

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Artigo de Opinião no NY Times

por vasco » 18/9/2008 14:42

Uma visão sobre este tema:

Need a Job? $17,000 an Hour. No Success Required.

September 18, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Need a Job? $17,000 an Hour. No Success Required.
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Are you capable of taking a perfectly good 158-year-old company and turning it into dust? If so, then you may not be earning up to your full potential.

You should be raking it in like Richard Fuld, the longtime chief of Lehman Brothers. He took home nearly half-a-billion dollars in total compensation between 1993 and 2007.

Last year, Mr. Fuld earned about $45 million, according to the calculations of Equilar, an executive pay research company. That amounts to roughly $17,000 an hour to obliterate a firm. If you’re willing to drive a company into the ground for less, apply by calling Lehman Brothers at (212) 526-7000 .

Oh, nevermind.

I’m delighted to announce that Mr. Fuld (who continues to lead Lehman since it entered bankruptcy proceedings this week) is the winner of my annual Michael Eisner Award for corporate rapacity and poor corporate governance. The award honors the pioneering achievements in this field of Mr. Eisner, the former Walt Disney chief.

This isn’t a plaque that will simply gather dust in a closet. It’s a shower curtain to commemorate the $6,000 one that the former C.E.O. of Tyco purchased and billed to his shareholders.

So, Mr. Fuld, you’ll be pleased to know that I’ve picked out a lovely green vinyl number for you. Only $14.99! Why, I saved you $5,985!

Perhaps it seems frivolous to be handing out shower curtains to chief executives when we’re caught in a deepening economic crisis. Well, it is.

But one of our broad national problems is rising inequality, and it is exacerbated by corporate executives helping themselves to shareholders’ cash. Three decades ago, C.E.O.’s typically earned 30 to 40 times the income of ordinary workers. Last year, C.E.O.’s of large public companies averaged 344 times the average pay of workers.

John McCain seems to think that the problem is that C.E.O.’s are greedy. Well, of course, they are. We’re all greedy. The real failure is one of corporate governance, which provides only the flimsiest oversight to curb the greed of executives like Mr. Fuld.

“Compare the massive destruction of wealth for shareholders to what he gets at the end of the day,” said Lucian Bebchuk, the director of the corporate governance program at Harvard Law School. A central flaw of governance is that boards of directors frequently are ornamental and provide negligible oversight.

As Warren Buffett has said, “in judging whether corporate America is serious about reforming itself, C.E.O. pay remains the acid test.” It’s a test that corporate America is failing.

These Brobdingnagian paychecks are partly the result of taxpayer subsidies. A study released a few weeks ago by the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington found five major elements in the tax code that encourage overpaying executives. These cost taxpayers more than $20 billion a year.

That’s enough money to deworm every child in the world, cut maternal mortality around the globe by two-thirds and also provide iodized salt to prevent tens of millions of children from suffering mild retardation or worse. Alternatively, it could pay for health care for most uninsured children in America.

Do we truly believe that C.E.O.’s like Mr. Fuld are more deserving of tax dollars than sick children?

Perhaps it’s understandable that C.E.O.’s are paid heroically when they succeed, but why pay prodigious sums when they fail? E. Stanley O’Neal, the former chief of Merrill Lynch, retired last year after driving the firm over a cliff, and he walked away with $161 million.

The problem isn’t precisely paychecks that are huge. Baseball stars, investment bankers and hedge fund managers all earn obscene sums, but honestly — through arm’s-length transactions. You and I may gasp, but that’s the free market at work.

In contrast, boards pay C.E.O.’s after negotiations that are often more like pillow talk. Relationships are incestuous, and compensation consultants provide only a thin veer of respectability by finding some “peer group” of companies so moribund that anybody shines in comparison. The result is what critics call the Lake Wobegon effect, which miraculously leaves all C.E.O.’s above average. Indeed, one study of 1,500 companies found that two-thirds claimed to be outperforming their peer groups.

John Kenneth Galbraith, the great economist, once explained: “The salary of the chief executive of a large corporation is not a market award for achievement. It is frequently in the nature of a warm personal gesture by the individual to himself.”

There are widely discussed technical solutions to C.E.O.’s overpaying themselves that we should move toward. We can also learn from Britain and Australia, which offer shareholders more rights than in America, redrawing the balance between shareholders and management and curbing pay in the process.

As for Mr. Fuld, unfortunately, he had no comment for this column. At $17,000 an hour, it probably wasn’t worth his time.


in New York Times, 17-8-2008.

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por ruizzz » 18/9/2008 14:25

Privatizacao dos lucros e democratizacao dos prejuizos... é assim que parece q o mercado funciona hoje em dia.
 
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Re: Incompetência premiada com dinheiro dos contribuintes...

por atomez » 18/9/2008 3:48

redhot Escreveu:Ora A FED (contribuintes...) vai tapando os buracos causados pela incompetência de empresas privadas...

Agora a FED (contribuintes...) diz que já está a ficar sem dinheiro...

Isso não é nada assim.

Os estados têm, pelo menos, 2 poderes que mais ninguém tem:

- fabricar dinheiro
- cobrar impostos

O FED (banco central, equivalente ao Banco Central Europeu) pode criar dinheiro a partir do nada e investi-lo onde quiser. Isso do FED "estar a ficar sem dinheiro" é impossível. Injectar dinheiro na economia sem mais nem menos pode ter más consequências - principalmente inflação, mas isso já é outra história.

Quem cobra impostos nos States é o Tesouro (equivalente cá ao Min. das Finanças). Esse é que comprou a Fannie/Freddie e se continuar a comprar é que às tantas poderia "ficar sem dinheiro". Mas esse pode cobrar mais impostos se for preciso, mas nem é preciso para já. As empresas que comprou podem muito bem vir a ser vendidas no todo ou em partes no futuro e recuperar o investimento e até apresentar lucro para os contribuintes.
As pessoas são tão ingénuas e tão agarradas aos seus interesses imediatos que um vigarista hábil consegue sempre que um grande número delas se deixe enganar.
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por marianonunes » 18/9/2008 2:10

Mas existe uma coisa que me faz confusão e quem perceba o que está a passar que me explique.

Então mas se o governo anda a nacionalizar empresas enormes em dificuldades, depois daqui a uns tempos não poderá privatizar essas mesmas empresas com lucro? No longo prazo o FED não poderá no mínimo reaver o dinheiro que está a gastar agora?
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por ptmasters » 18/9/2008 1:27

Paulo Moreira Escreveu:Para mim, estes gestores deveriam ser os primeiros a ir à falência. Responsabilização!!


No fim, lembram-se dos trabalhadores, pois alegam que é preferível o estado ajudar do que a economia americana perder 25000 postos de trabalho directos. Vê lá se não são bons gestores. Têm sempre uma na manga!!

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por PJBM2 » 18/9/2008 0:17

Para mim, estes gestores deveriam ser os primeiros a ir à falência. Responsabilização!!
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por PIKAS » 17/9/2008 23:18

Just my two cents for this:


PS: o Lehman pagou quase 5,7 mil milhões de dólares em bónus aos seus gestores em 2007.



Fonte:http://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/index.php?template=SHOWNEWS_OPINION&id=331364


5,7 MIL MILHÕES deve ser muita massa, não? Para quê? Para preparar o funeral de uma instituição centenária?
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Incompetência premiada com dinheiro dos contribuintes....

por redhot » 17/9/2008 22:07

Ora isto da AIG, Fed não sei do quê e Fanny não sei da onde... dá que pensar...

Ora a FED (contribuintes...) vai tapando os buracos causados pela incompetência de empresas privadas...

Agora a FED (contribuintes...) diz que já está a ficar sem dinheiro...

Isto está bonito está....

Então e se o BCP tivesse para ir à falência e o estado (contribuintes...) resolvesse injectar dinheiro para evitar o processo de falência causado por incompetência privada?....

Acho que estamos perante um novo paradigma: O CAPITALISMO SOCIAL...

Que é caracterizado por:

- Se o privado for competente obtêm os louros (dinheiro) e fica tudo bem.

- Se o privado for incompetente o capitalismo social ajuda e fica tudo bem na mesma...

Hummmm!!!! Algo aqui não bate certo....
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