ESCL - Escala Group Inc ( Grupo Afinsa )
Presa35 Escreveu:Por ser a empresa que é, apostava mais numa subida sustentada a médio e longo prazo.
Presa35
A Afinsa é dona de 67% da Escala. Se o maior accionista (de longe) falir e os titulos forem parar à bolsa durante o processo de liquidação... deve valorizar imenso
Isto supondo que a Escala opera duma forma suficientemente independente para subsistir. O mais provável é ser liquidada também.
However elegant the method we should occasionally look at the results.
Estão bastante enganados quanto ao investimento médio ... que anda mais na casa dos 15000 Euros por cabeça.
"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein
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Spanish Police Make Arrests
In Probe of Stamp Companies
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
May 9, 2006 7:24 a.m.
MADRID -- Spanish police have arrested at least four people and raided the offices of two leading stamp collection companies as part of a probe into an alleged stamp investment fraud that could affect about 200,000 small investors, police and court officials said Tuesday.
National police officers were raiding offices of Forum Filatelico and the Madrid headquarters of Afinsa Bienes Tangibles, which is the world's No. 3 collectibles firm behind Sotheby's and Christie's and is also the majority owner of Nasdaq-traded Escala Group. Escala was previously known as Greg Manning Auctions, based in New Jersey.
The operation forms part of an investigation launched by the National Court, tax authorities and financial crime prosecutors over an alleged pyramid-type scheme based on overpriced stamps and other collectibles.
The arrests also come after Barron's magazine reported on practices at Afinsa, which operates a "no-lose" stamp-sales program for investors in Spain and Portugal. Many of the investors are retired individuals allocating an average of €150 to €300, according to court officials.
Afinsa guarantees a return of 6% to 10% over a fixed period, with a money-back guarantee when the contracts expire. According to Barron's, some stamp experts have expressed doubts about the value of stamps, which may be worth less than what Afinsa charges for them.
So-called pyramid or Ponzi schemes pay high returns to investors by using the money from newly arrived investors, rather than from revenue generated by any real business.
Court officials said that since Afinsa isn't classified as a financial institution, it had received poor governmental oversight. Afinsa and Forum Filatelico officials couldn't be reached for comment. Afinsa has previously defended the program and denied any wrongdoing.
An armed National Police officer was guarding the back entrance of Afinsa's lush headquarters in an upscale neighborhood in downtown Madrid, while a steady stream of employees were abandoning the building.
Several Forum Filatelico and Afinsa employees, who were outside their respective headquarters in Madrid while National Police officers were searching the premises, said they weren't aware of any improper activities within the company
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1147172 ... lenews_wsj
In Probe of Stamp Companies
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
May 9, 2006 7:24 a.m.
MADRID -- Spanish police have arrested at least four people and raided the offices of two leading stamp collection companies as part of a probe into an alleged stamp investment fraud that could affect about 200,000 small investors, police and court officials said Tuesday.
National police officers were raiding offices of Forum Filatelico and the Madrid headquarters of Afinsa Bienes Tangibles, which is the world's No. 3 collectibles firm behind Sotheby's and Christie's and is also the majority owner of Nasdaq-traded Escala Group. Escala was previously known as Greg Manning Auctions, based in New Jersey.
The operation forms part of an investigation launched by the National Court, tax authorities and financial crime prosecutors over an alleged pyramid-type scheme based on overpriced stamps and other collectibles.
The arrests also come after Barron's magazine reported on practices at Afinsa, which operates a "no-lose" stamp-sales program for investors in Spain and Portugal. Many of the investors are retired individuals allocating an average of €150 to €300, according to court officials.
Afinsa guarantees a return of 6% to 10% over a fixed period, with a money-back guarantee when the contracts expire. According to Barron's, some stamp experts have expressed doubts about the value of stamps, which may be worth less than what Afinsa charges for them.
So-called pyramid or Ponzi schemes pay high returns to investors by using the money from newly arrived investors, rather than from revenue generated by any real business.
Court officials said that since Afinsa isn't classified as a financial institution, it had received poor governmental oversight. Afinsa and Forum Filatelico officials couldn't be reached for comment. Afinsa has previously defended the program and denied any wrongdoing.
An armed National Police officer was guarding the back entrance of Afinsa's lush headquarters in an upscale neighborhood in downtown Madrid, while a steady stream of employees were abandoning the building.
Several Forum Filatelico and Afinsa employees, who were outside their respective headquarters in Madrid while National Police officers were searching the premises, said they weren't aware of any improper activities within the company
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1147172 ... lenews_wsj
Sim, amanhã 10MAY
Eu é que agendei para 9MAIO para que depois os lê-se.
Entratanto: cai 50%
Eu é que agendei para 9MAIO para que depois os lê-se.
Entratanto: cai 50%
Toolbar de bolsa com chat, download:
http://gabinforme.ForumToolbar.com
BLOG com detalhes sobre toolbar:
http://gabinforme.blogspot.com/
Os Earnings são amanhã, e são neste momento irrelevantes pois respeitam a um período anterior ao estoirar da fraude.
"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein
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saliento que EARNINGS são hoje antes do mercado abrir.
NO PRÉ-Market cai 25%.
Nos states além de arte e colecções-selos etc etc, ESCALA tb tem Serviços de Internet, VOIP etc.
NO PRÉ-Market cai 25%.
Nos states além de arte e colecções-selos etc etc, ESCALA tb tem Serviços de Internet, VOIP etc.
Toolbar de bolsa com chat, download:
http://gabinforme.ForumToolbar.com
BLOG com detalhes sobre toolbar:
http://gabinforme.blogspot.com/
É uma opinião, no mínimo, surreal.
"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein
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O mercado de selos, em geral, é óptimo.
Com estas ultimas noptícias, quem tem selos - reais, verdadeiros - vai ver a sua colecção valorizar, porque a afinsa vai ter que comprar quantidades enormes para poder satizfazer a procura do seu mercado de bens tangíveis.
Quero dizer que têm que ter stock de selos suficientes para cobrir os investimentos dos particulares em bens tangíveis.
Penso eu de que...
Presa35
Com estas ultimas noptícias, quem tem selos - reais, verdadeiros - vai ver a sua colecção valorizar, porque a afinsa vai ter que comprar quantidades enormes para poder satizfazer a procura do seu mercado de bens tangíveis.
Quero dizer que têm que ter stock de selos suficientes para cobrir os investimentos dos particulares em bens tangíveis.
Penso eu de que...
Presa35
Presa, a maior parte dos lucros da ESCL vêm de transaccionar com a fraude Afinsa. A ESCL vai cair como um calhau. Infelizmente, não existem bids decentes.
Gostava que quem defendeu esta vergonhosa fraude que agora viesse aqui pedir desculpas.
Gostava que quem defendeu esta vergonhosa fraude que agora viesse aqui pedir desculpas.
"Nem tudo o que pode ser contado conta, e nem tudo o que conta pode ser contado.", Albert Einstein
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Sem dúvida
Pelos vistos estes senhores tinham também umas fontes de selos engraçadas:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193181,00.html
Coleção de selos da ONU...
Já agora, o mercado de selos raros e antigos é lucrativo, mas é bastante restrito. E é preciso ser profundo conhecedor, andar à pesca das pechinchas, etc.
No fundo funciona como o mercado de antiguidades, que também dá emprego a uma série de especialistas e antiquários, embora o sector dos selos seja muito mais especializado e exigente, parece-me.
Agora em larga escala como estes senhores faziam obviamente não funciona.
Pelos vistos estes senhores tinham também umas fontes de selos engraçadas:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193181,00.html
Coleção de selos da ONU...
Já agora, o mercado de selos raros e antigos é lucrativo, mas é bastante restrito. E é preciso ser profundo conhecedor, andar à pesca das pechinchas, etc.
No fundo funciona como o mercado de antiguidades, que também dá emprego a uma série de especialistas e antiquários, embora o sector dos selos seja muito mais especializado e exigente, parece-me.
Agora em larga escala como estes senhores faziam obviamente não funciona.
However elegant the method we should occasionally look at the results.
ESCL - Escala Group Inc ( Grupo Afinsa )
estou curioso para ver a reacção na América, se não abrir em gap down, é capaz de dar um curto interessante
http://www.google.com/finance?q=ESCL
"Escala Group Inc., formerly Greg Manning Auctions, Inc. (GMAI), is a global collectibles merchant and auction house network with operations in North America, Europe and Asia and on the Internet. In September 2003, the Company and Auctentia, S.L. (Auctentia), integrated their auction businesses, creating a global collectibles auction network. Auctentia is the wholly owned subsidiary of Afinsa Bienes Tangibles, S.A. (Afinsa), the Company's major customer. Afinsa and Auctentia collectively own approximately 69% of the Company's outstanding common stock. In North America, the Company is a traditional and e-commerce-Internet, interactive telephone, and Internet and live simulcast-auctioneer and merchant/dealer of collectibles, including rare stamps, stamp collections and stocks, coins, sports trading cards and memorabilia, and fine art."
http://www.google.com/finance?q=ESCL
"Escala Group Inc., formerly Greg Manning Auctions, Inc. (GMAI), is a global collectibles merchant and auction house network with operations in North America, Europe and Asia and on the Internet. In September 2003, the Company and Auctentia, S.L. (Auctentia), integrated their auction businesses, creating a global collectibles auction network. Auctentia is the wholly owned subsidiary of Afinsa Bienes Tangibles, S.A. (Afinsa), the Company's major customer. Afinsa and Auctentia collectively own approximately 69% of the Company's outstanding common stock. In North America, the Company is a traditional and e-commerce-Internet, interactive telephone, and Internet and live simulcast-auctioneer and merchant/dealer of collectibles, including rare stamps, stamp collections and stocks, coins, sports trading cards and memorabilia, and fine art."
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