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DOW Escreveu:...O Comunismo já não é o que era...
Não? Só um exemplo de um dirigente ou mesmo de alguém da nomenklatura (familiares incluídos, ok? 
) isento de previlégios e sem ter tudo do bom e do melhor, com lojas próprias ... normalmente no mais gritante contraste com os demais cidadãos locais... 
basta um 
"Não há ventos favoráveis para o barco que não conhece o rumo" Séneca
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March 18, 2005
fidel's Fortune
The news today was pretty interesting - fidel came out screaming that Forbes magazine had included him on its annual billionaire's list earlier this month, under the special category of 'kings, queens, and dictators.' Since I know someone at Forbes, I'll add a few tidbits.
Here is the background:
First, that Forbes list of billionaires is very conservative. It consists of only what fortune Forbes magazine can really prove. What they can't prove, they don't add in, even if they are pretty sure the billionaire owns it anyway. They have to be legally pristine because, let's face it, these billionaires are the kind of guys who wouldn't have much trouble rousting up the resources to sue if they wanted. And Forbes almost never is sued. Being conservative with one's numbers is the reason why.
But the flip side is, most of these guys own way more than they admit or Forbes can prove. Once in awhile, a billionaire comes along who will open his books if he's asked but most of them are hiding as much of their fortune from Forbes as they possibly can. Part of it is to deter kidnappers (and this is prevalent everywhere), part of it is because they are cheating on taxes (you see a lot of this in the private Anglo fortunes - U.K., Australia, Canada, NZ), and part of it is because they fear jealousy and populist revolts - especially if they live in a country like Mexico that is full of poor people. In the U.S., it's mainly that they just want to be left alone and don't want calls from telemarketers.
The most transparent fortunes are in the U.S. where stock data can easily prove ownership, and the most complicated ones are the private European fortunes which are profoundly old, tangled and secretive (except the Swiss). The most volatile fortunes are the Russian ones - which pop up one day and are gone the next with none looking too savory in origins. The most intransparent fortunes are in the third world - those family cross-shareholdings among overseas Chinese fortunes are an absolute bitch to calculate. And the most muddled and utterly dishonest fortunes are the political ones, like those of political cronies, regardless of where they exist in the world. Politicians' fortunes, themselves, are the worst of all, and among politicians, dictator politicians are truly the most corrupt fortunes on earth.
That brings us to fidel.
The premise of the Reuters news article is that most people would be 'honored' to be on the Forbes list. That's completely wrong - almost all of them yell about it and say they don't want to be on. They slam down receivers and threaten to sic their lawyers when they get wind they are going to make the Forbes list. Happens a lot. But that is a clear sign to Forbes that it is doing its job and getting it right, because this is the way they all act.
What perks up the Forbes antennae with suspicion is something entirely different: when some rich guy calls Forbes up and asks to BE on the list - as Banana King Alvaro Noboa of Ecuador once did. That is its own proof that such a person is NOT a billionaire because no real billionaire would do such a thing.
NOT that these billionaires don't watch that list with utter fascination, mind you. That's their peer list, so billionaires watch and read it very closely for information about their rivals and neighbors. Not too long ago, I heard secondhand that a fidel diplomat approached a Forbes reporter and explicitly asked to see the Forbes file on the Bacardi family, who are of Cuban orgin. Forbes declined. But it showed that fidel was definitely curious about other billionaires.
All this tells me one thing: fidel's screaming about his inclusion on the Forbes richest-people-on-earth list is a pretty accurate sign he's got a huge fortune socked away, because his reaction was so utterly normal - for a billionaire.
What could his inhibition to being on the Forbes list be? He's been on the list before, but this is the first year he came out screaming and drew attention.
I think it's fear. He's on his last legs, he can't take it with him, and he doesn't want it advertised to his lieutenants who are scheming for position at his deathbed, as vultures do, waiting for the roadkill. Not only that, castro could easily anger the beleaguered Cuban people if news got out about his millions, since they have, after all, been told to be contented with a humble rice cooker and be so grateful to el barbudo for it that they never deign to ask about the absent electricity or the missing rice.
There is one interesting line at the bottom of the Reuters writeup that I hadn't expected, in which fidel's press statement declares: "Cuba is the only Latin American country that fights inequality and has the fairest income distribution in the world." This is a lie in itself, with everyone being dirt poor except for castro and his 'special class' nomenklatura with their dollar stores - but can you imagine what Hugo Chavez's reaction to this is? fidel forgetting to mention his little buddy Chavez? It means fidel considers him not quite in his league, a lightweight. For a megalomaniac like Chavez, that has got to sting. One wonders what the nightly phone call between them was like. I hope the two of them get into a fight over this, since Chavez probably actually gave castro "his" fortune. Perhaps with a fight, these two hemispheric problems could solve themselves.
Update: Welcome Instapundit readers. Today is the second anniversary of the crackdown on the 75 dissidents presently still rotting away in castro's gulags. I urge you all to read this post and offer your solidarity with their cause and your support in seeing to their release. Gracias.
Posted by Mora at March 18, 2005 12:46 AM
http://www.babalublog.com/archives/001490.html
http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/2005 ... peed=20000
March 18, 2005
fidel's Fortune
The news today was pretty interesting - fidel came out screaming that Forbes magazine had included him on its annual billionaire's list earlier this month, under the special category of 'kings, queens, and dictators.' Since I know someone at Forbes, I'll add a few tidbits.
Here is the background:
First, that Forbes list of billionaires is very conservative. It consists of only what fortune Forbes magazine can really prove. What they can't prove, they don't add in, even if they are pretty sure the billionaire owns it anyway. They have to be legally pristine because, let's face it, these billionaires are the kind of guys who wouldn't have much trouble rousting up the resources to sue if they wanted. And Forbes almost never is sued. Being conservative with one's numbers is the reason why.
But the flip side is, most of these guys own way more than they admit or Forbes can prove. Once in awhile, a billionaire comes along who will open his books if he's asked but most of them are hiding as much of their fortune from Forbes as they possibly can. Part of it is to deter kidnappers (and this is prevalent everywhere), part of it is because they are cheating on taxes (you see a lot of this in the private Anglo fortunes - U.K., Australia, Canada, NZ), and part of it is because they fear jealousy and populist revolts - especially if they live in a country like Mexico that is full of poor people. In the U.S., it's mainly that they just want to be left alone and don't want calls from telemarketers.
The most transparent fortunes are in the U.S. where stock data can easily prove ownership, and the most complicated ones are the private European fortunes which are profoundly old, tangled and secretive (except the Swiss). The most volatile fortunes are the Russian ones - which pop up one day and are gone the next with none looking too savory in origins. The most intransparent fortunes are in the third world - those family cross-shareholdings among overseas Chinese fortunes are an absolute bitch to calculate. And the most muddled and utterly dishonest fortunes are the political ones, like those of political cronies, regardless of where they exist in the world. Politicians' fortunes, themselves, are the worst of all, and among politicians, dictator politicians are truly the most corrupt fortunes on earth.
That brings us to fidel.
The premise of the Reuters news article is that most people would be 'honored' to be on the Forbes list. That's completely wrong - almost all of them yell about it and say they don't want to be on. They slam down receivers and threaten to sic their lawyers when they get wind they are going to make the Forbes list. Happens a lot. But that is a clear sign to Forbes that it is doing its job and getting it right, because this is the way they all act.
What perks up the Forbes antennae with suspicion is something entirely different: when some rich guy calls Forbes up and asks to BE on the list - as Banana King Alvaro Noboa of Ecuador once did. That is its own proof that such a person is NOT a billionaire because no real billionaire would do such a thing.
NOT that these billionaires don't watch that list with utter fascination, mind you. That's their peer list, so billionaires watch and read it very closely for information about their rivals and neighbors. Not too long ago, I heard secondhand that a fidel diplomat approached a Forbes reporter and explicitly asked to see the Forbes file on the Bacardi family, who are of Cuban orgin. Forbes declined. But it showed that fidel was definitely curious about other billionaires.
All this tells me one thing: fidel's screaming about his inclusion on the Forbes richest-people-on-earth list is a pretty accurate sign he's got a huge fortune socked away, because his reaction was so utterly normal - for a billionaire.
What could his inhibition to being on the Forbes list be? He's been on the list before, but this is the first year he came out screaming and drew attention.
I think it's fear. He's on his last legs, he can't take it with him, and he doesn't want it advertised to his lieutenants who are scheming for position at his deathbed, as vultures do, waiting for the roadkill. Not only that, castro could easily anger the beleaguered Cuban people if news got out about his millions, since they have, after all, been told to be contented with a humble rice cooker and be so grateful to el barbudo for it that they never deign to ask about the absent electricity or the missing rice.
There is one interesting line at the bottom of the Reuters writeup that I hadn't expected, in which fidel's press statement declares: "Cuba is the only Latin American country that fights inequality and has the fairest income distribution in the world." This is a lie in itself, with everyone being dirt poor except for castro and his 'special class' nomenklatura with their dollar stores - but can you imagine what Hugo Chavez's reaction to this is? fidel forgetting to mention his little buddy Chavez? It means fidel considers him not quite in his league, a lightweight. For a megalomaniac like Chavez, that has got to sting. One wonders what the nightly phone call between them was like. I hope the two of them get into a fight over this, since Chavez probably actually gave castro "his" fortune. Perhaps with a fight, these two hemispheric problems could solve themselves.
Update: Welcome Instapundit readers. Today is the second anniversary of the crackdown on the 75 dissidents presently still rotting away in castro's gulags. I urge you all to read this post and offer your solidarity with their cause and your support in seeing to their release. Gracias.
Posted by Mora at March 18, 2005 12:46 AM
http://www.babalublog.com/archives/001490.html
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Forbes
E certa comunicação social continua a ser o que sempre foi...as máquinas fiscais dos mais diversos paises não conseguem avaliar as fortunas dos seus cidadãos e esta revista consegueo-o? Ainda por cima de um dirigente político de um país fechado como dizem os seus detractores. Para a Forbes as empresas públicas cubanas devem ser património privado do Sr. Fidel Castro...Portugal é "pobre" mas segundo esse critério o Sócrates deve conseguir uma posição...talvez a milésima!
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Então que é isso?!
Deixem lá o homem em paz, será que não se pode ganhar dinheiro na bolsa de Havana a especular na compra de empresas de charutos e rum?
Não deixa contudo de me surpreender e invejar a sua qualidade de trader.
Será que paga imposto de mais-valias ao fisco lá do sítio?
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Fidel Castro é o sétimo governante mais rico do mundo
Fidel Castro é o sétimo líder de um país mais rico do mundo, com uma fortuna de 900 milhões de dólares. O primeiro é o saudita Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz. A lista dos «governantes» milionários da «Forbes» acaba de sair.
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Fidel Castro
O líder de Cuba vai processar a «Forbes»
Fidel Castro é o sétimo líder de um país mais rico do mundo, com uma fortuna de 900 milhões de dólares. O primeiro é o saudita Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz. A lista dos «governantes» milionários da «Forbes» acaba de sair.
O presidente de Cuba tem uma fortuna calculada em 900 milhões de dólares, o equivalente, ao câmbio actual, a 709 milhões de euros. Segundo a «Forbes», a fortuna de Fidel tem crescido muito nos últimos anos, já que em 2003 estava calculada em «apenas» 110 milhões de dólares, ou 87 milhões de euros.
O Governo de Cuba e o próprio Fidel Castro já reagiram a este «ranking», criticando fortemente os seus autores, acusando a revista de «libelo», caracterizando o artigo como uma «infâmia» e ameaçando com processos judiciais.
Fidel é o único líder de País americano no «top 10» da Forbes, que é liderado por Abdulá Bin Abdelaziz, rei da Arábia Saudita, com uma fortuna calculada em 21 mil milhões de dólares (16,5 mil milhões de euros). Segue-se o sultão do Brunei, Haji Hasanal Bolkiah, o presidente dos Emiratos Árabes Unidos, «sheikh» Jalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, e o emir do Dubai, Mohamad bin Rachid Al Maktum.
Na Europa, a liderança é do príncipe de Liechtenstein, Hans-Adam, com quatro mil milhões de dólares (3,1 mil milhões de euros), seguido do príncipe Alberto do Mónaco. A Raínha de Inglaterra, Isabel II (que viu a fortuna reduzir este ano em 220 milhões de dólares), e a Raínha da Holanda, Beatriz, ocupam o nono e décimo lugar na tabela.
O presidente da Guiné Equatorial, Teodoro Obiang, é único representante de África.
Top-10 da «Forbes»: os líderes de País mais ricos do mundo
1) Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz, 82 anos
Rei da Arábia Saudita
Fortuna: 21 mil milhões de dólares (16,5 mil milhões de euros)
2) Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah , 59 anos
Sultão do Brunei
Fortuna: 20 mil milhões de dólares (15,7 mil milhões de euros)
3) Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan , 58 anos
Presidente dos Emiratos Árabes Unidos
Fortuna: 19 mil milhões de dólares (14,9 mil milhões de euros)
4) Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum , 56 anos
Emir do Dubai
Fortuna: 14 mil milhões de dólares (11 mil milhões de euros)
5) Hans Adam II von und zu Liechtenstein , 61 anos
Príncipe do Liechtenstein
Fortuna: 4 mil milhões de dólares (3,1 mil milhões de euros)
6) Alberto II, 48 anos
Príncipe do Monaco
Fortuna: Mil milhões de dólares (788 milhões de euros)
7) Fidel Castro , 79 anos
Presidente de Cuba
Fortuna: 900 milhões de dólares (709 milhões de euros)
8) Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, 63 anos
Presidente da Guiné Equatorial
Fortuna: 600 milhões de dólares (473 milhões de euros)
9) Isabel II , 80 anos
Rainha de Inglaterra
Fortuna: 500 milhões de dólares (394 milhões de euros)
10) Beatriz Wilhelmina Armgard, 68 anos
Rainha da Holanda
Fortuna: 270 milhões de dólares (212 milhões de euros)
Fonte: «Forbes». Conversões dólar/euro feitas ao câmbio de 5/5/2006: 1/0,788
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