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New potential victims emerged of Wall Street veteran Bernard Madoff's alleged giant Ponzi scheme, with international banks, hedge funds and wealthy private investors among those sorting out what could amount to tens of billions of dollars in losses.
New York Mets owner Fred Wilpon, GMAC LLC Chairman J. Ezra Merkin and former Philadelphia Eagles owner Norman Braman were among the dozens of seemingly sophisticated investors who placed money on what could prove to be history's largest financial scam.
And at least three funds of hedge funds -- which raise money from investors and farm it out to hedge funds -- may have significant losses. Fairfield Greenwich Group and Tremont Capital Management of New York placed hundreds of millions of their investors' dollars into funds overseen by Mr. Madoff. On Friday, Maxam Capital Management LLC reported a combined loss of $280 million on funds they had invested with Mr. Madoff.
"I'm wiped out," said Sandra Manzke, Maxam's founder and chairman. The Darien, Conn., fund of hedge funds will have to close as a result of the losses, she said.
Mr. Madoff, the founder and primary owner of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC in New York, was arrested and charged Thursday. Prosecutors allege that the 70-year-old Mr. Madoff hid losses, paying certain investors returns using principal he received from other investors. Prosecutors and regulators have yet to determine how much has been lost, or the amount in assets still held by Mr. Madoff's business.
The alleged fraud has "swept up some of the most prominent and wealthy Americans, along with many people who thought they were embarking on a comfortable retirement and have now been left destitute," says Brad Friedman, a lawyer at Milberg LLP, which with Seeger Weiss LLP represents more than 30 investors with losses they believe could total more than $1 billion.
In criminal and civil complaints, Mr. Madoff is quoted as saying the losses could amount to $50 billion.
"This is a real tragedy," Mr. Madoff's attorney, Ike Sorkin, said Friday. "We're going to fight through these events and do what we can to minimize the loss."
During golf-course and cocktail-party banter, Mr. Madoff's name frequently surfaced as a money manager who could consistently deliver high returns. Older, Jewish investors called Mr. Madoff " 'the Jewish bond,' " says Ken Phillips, head of a Boulder, Colo., investment firm. "It paid 8% to 12%, every year, no matter what."
As his reputation grew, Mr. Madoff gained the trust of prominent businessmen, including ex-Eagles owner Mr. Braman, who owns a chain of Florida auto dealers. A voicemail message left with Mr. Braman's office was not immediately returned.
Mets owner Mr. Wilpon, who also owns real-estate investor Sterling Equities, often raved about Mr. Madoff's investment prowess and invested tens of millions of dollars of both his own money and the team's with his company, say financiers who have worked with him. Mr. Madoff handled investments for the Judy & Fred Wilpon Family Foundation, which distributed about $1 million a year in 2005 and 2006 to charities, according to its most recent federal tax returns..
Mr. Merkin, the chairman of former General Motors Corp. financing arm GMAC, is also a money manager at Ascot Partners LLC in New York. Ascot, which had $1.8 billion under management as of Sept. 30, had substantially all of its assets invested with Mr. Madoff, according to a letter to Mr. Merkin sent to clients Thursday night. Mr. Merkin said as one of the largest investors in Ascot, he believed he had personally "suffered major losses from this catastrophe."
Mr. Merkin could not be reached for comment.
Mr. Madoff tapped social networks in Dallas, Chicago, Boston and Minneapolis. In Minnesota, he attracted investors from Hillcrest Golf Club of St. Paul and Oak Ridge Country Club in Hopkins, investors say. One of them estimated that investors from the two clubs may have invested more than $100 million combined.
One of the largest clusters of Madoff investors was in Florida, where losses could be substantial. Mr. Madoff relied on a network of friends, family and business colleagues to attract investors. According to investors and agents, some of these agents were paid commissions for harvesting investors. Others had separate, lucrative business relationships with Mr. Madoff.
"If you were eating lunch at the club or golfing, everyone was always talking about how Madoff was making them all this money," one investor says. "Everyone wanted to sign up."
Jeff Fischer, a top divorce attorney in Palm Beach, says many of his clients were also Mr. Madoff's clients. "Every big divorce that came through my office had portfolio positions with Madoff," he says.
Two of his investors said that among his clients, Mr. Madoff was considered a money-management legend; they would joke that if Mr. Madoff was a fraud, he'd take down half the world with him.
Richard Spring, a Boca Raton resident and former securities analyst, says he had about $11 million -- or 95% of his net worth -- invested with Mr. Madoff. "That's how much I believed in him," Mr. Spring said.
Mr. Spring says he never was paid a commission, but he received fees from a small investment-research firm that counted Mr. Madoff as a client; he declined to say how much he received. He said investors would always come to him asking to invest with Mr. Madoff. "I never solicited anyone," he says.
Mr. Spring says he never detected signs of impropriety with Mr. Madoff's investing, but he concedes that he may receive some blame from some investors. "I can understand where people who lost money are looking for a scapegoat," he says. "I'm heartbroken that so many people have been hurt so badly."
Mr. Madoff's main go-between in Palm Beach was Robert Jaffe, say several investors. Mr. Jaffe is the son-in-law of Carl Shapiro, the founder and former chairman of apparel company Kay Windsor Inc. and an early investor and close friend of Mr. Madoff's. Mr. Jaffe, a philanthropist in Palm Beach, attracted many investors from the Palm Beach Country Club in Palm Beach, Fla.
A spokeswoman for Mr. Jaffe's family said several family members were investors with Mr. Madoff and were "significantly adversely impacted" by recent events. There are no indications that Mr. Jaffe or Mr. Spring are implicated in the alleged fraud. Mr. Jaffe didn't return messages yesterday.
Other investors stand to lose through their investments with the likes of Fairfield Greenwich Group and Tremont Capital Management, funds of hedge funds that invested their cash with Mr. Madoff.
"Needless to say, our level of anger and dismay over the apparent betrayal by Mr. Madoff and his organization of his 14-year relationship with Tremont is immeasurable," Tremont told clients in a letter Friday.
Fairfield Greenwich said in a statement late Friday that it is trying to assess the extent of potential losses. The firm said that on Nov. 1, it had $7.5 billion in investments connected to Mr. Madoff's firm, slightly more than half of its total assets. Founding partner Jeffrey Tucker said the firm had no indication of any potential wrongdoing. "We are shocked an appalled by this news," he said.
Ms. Manzke, 60, of Maxam Capital Management, said she met Mr. Madoff through investors in the mid-1980s and introduced him to Tremont, where she was then chief executive. That introduction led to Tremont's decision to market Mr. Madoff as a money manager to its own investors, she adds.
In November, she says, Maxam asked to pull $30 million from Mr. Madoff, and he returned the money.
"He was a low-key guy," Ms. Manzke says. "He would say, 'Look, I'm a market-maker, and I don't want anyone to know I'm running money.' It was always for select people. He was always closed, he wasn't taking new money."
Several European investors were also apparent victims. Bramdean Alternatives in the U.K. said it had more than 9% of its portfolio invested in Madoff funds. Geneva-based Banque Benedict Hentsch, a white-glove private bank, said it is exposed for $47.5 million.
BNP Paribas's exposure, the extent of which is not clear, may stem from BNP's lending relationship with a fund of funds that was a big Madoff client, said people familiar with the matter. A BNP spokeswoman declined to comment.
Nomura and Neue Privat Bank, meanwhile, together marketed access to Fairfield Sentry Ltd., a fund overseen by Mr. Madoff and sold through Fairfield Greenwich. The shares offered by Neue Privat and Nomura were leveraged three times -- meaning $3 of borrowed money was added to every $1 of capital invested in order to magnify returns, greatly increasing the potential losses for those investors.
A Nomura spokesman declined to comment. A message left with Neue Privat was not returned.
The federal complaints against Mr. Madoff allege his fraudulent activities came through a secretive private wealth-management wing of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities, the investment firm he founded in 1960. On Wall Street, his company was perhaps better known for its operations in market-making -- the business of serving as a middleman between buyers and sellers -- and proprietary trading.
Through those higher-profile parts of his operation, Mr. Madoff was a pioneer in trading New York Stock Exchange shares away from the exchange. He is a past chairman of the board of directors of the Nasdaq Stock Market as well as a member of the board of governors of the National Association of Securities Dealers and a member of numerous committees of the organization, according to his firm's Web site.
Mr. Madoff owns a home in Roslyn, N.Y., records show, and an elaborate beachfront home and grounds in Montauk on Long Island.
Mr. Madoff and his wife live in an apartment building on Manhattan's Upper East Side where property records list individual apartments valued at more than $5 million. One property database estimated the 2008 market value of Mr. Madoff's two-floor unit to be roughly $9 million. For years he has served as president of the building's co-op board, according to a tenant.
Tenants say he appeared down-to-earth, friendly and always greeted everyone by their first name.
Colleagues of Mr. Madoff said he was fair to those he dealt with and generous to charities including the Special Olympics. Mr. Madoff treated employees well and loved to take friends and colleagues on his 55-foot fishing boat, called Bull, said Frank Christensen, a retired New York Stock Exchange broker. "I really think very highly of him," said Mr. Christensen. "People make mistakes."
Impressionante como tanta gente caiu neste esquema.
New potential victims emerged of Wall Street veteran Bernard Madoff's alleged giant Ponzi scheme, with international banks, hedge funds and wealthy private investors among those sorting out what could amount to tens of billions of dollars in losses.
New York Mets owner Fred Wilpon, GMAC LLC Chairman J. Ezra Merkin and former Philadelphia Eagles owner Norman Braman were among the dozens of seemingly sophisticated investors who placed money on what could prove to be history's largest financial scam.
And at least three funds of hedge funds -- which raise money from investors and farm it out to hedge funds -- may have significant losses. Fairfield Greenwich Group and Tremont Capital Management of New York placed hundreds of millions of their investors' dollars into funds overseen by Mr. Madoff. On Friday, Maxam Capital Management LLC reported a combined loss of $280 million on funds they had invested with Mr. Madoff.
"I'm wiped out," said Sandra Manzke, Maxam's founder and chairman. The Darien, Conn., fund of hedge funds will have to close as a result of the losses, she said.
Mr. Madoff, the founder and primary owner of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC in New York, was arrested and charged Thursday. Prosecutors allege that the 70-year-old Mr. Madoff hid losses, paying certain investors returns using principal he received from other investors. Prosecutors and regulators have yet to determine how much has been lost, or the amount in assets still held by Mr. Madoff's business.
The alleged fraud has "swept up some of the most prominent and wealthy Americans, along with many people who thought they were embarking on a comfortable retirement and have now been left destitute," says Brad Friedman, a lawyer at Milberg LLP, which with Seeger Weiss LLP represents more than 30 investors with losses they believe could total more than $1 billion.
In criminal and civil complaints, Mr. Madoff is quoted as saying the losses could amount to $50 billion.
"This is a real tragedy," Mr. Madoff's attorney, Ike Sorkin, said Friday. "We're going to fight through these events and do what we can to minimize the loss."
During golf-course and cocktail-party banter, Mr. Madoff's name frequently surfaced as a money manager who could consistently deliver high returns. Older, Jewish investors called Mr. Madoff " 'the Jewish bond,' " says Ken Phillips, head of a Boulder, Colo., investment firm. "It paid 8% to 12%, every year, no matter what."
As his reputation grew, Mr. Madoff gained the trust of prominent businessmen, including ex-Eagles owner Mr. Braman, who owns a chain of Florida auto dealers. A voicemail message left with Mr. Braman's office was not immediately returned.
Mets owner Mr. Wilpon, who also owns real-estate investor Sterling Equities, often raved about Mr. Madoff's investment prowess and invested tens of millions of dollars of both his own money and the team's with his company, say financiers who have worked with him. Mr. Madoff handled investments for the Judy & Fred Wilpon Family Foundation, which distributed about $1 million a year in 2005 and 2006 to charities, according to its most recent federal tax returns..
Mr. Merkin, the chairman of former General Motors Corp. financing arm GMAC, is also a money manager at Ascot Partners LLC in New York. Ascot, which had $1.8 billion under management as of Sept. 30, had substantially all of its assets invested with Mr. Madoff, according to a letter to Mr. Merkin sent to clients Thursday night. Mr. Merkin said as one of the largest investors in Ascot, he believed he had personally "suffered major losses from this catastrophe."
Mr. Merkin could not be reached for comment.
Mr. Madoff tapped social networks in Dallas, Chicago, Boston and Minneapolis. In Minnesota, he attracted investors from Hillcrest Golf Club of St. Paul and Oak Ridge Country Club in Hopkins, investors say. One of them estimated that investors from the two clubs may have invested more than $100 million combined.
One of the largest clusters of Madoff investors was in Florida, where losses could be substantial. Mr. Madoff relied on a network of friends, family and business colleagues to attract investors. According to investors and agents, some of these agents were paid commissions for harvesting investors. Others had separate, lucrative business relationships with Mr. Madoff.
"If you were eating lunch at the club or golfing, everyone was always talking about how Madoff was making them all this money," one investor says. "Everyone wanted to sign up."
Jeff Fischer, a top divorce attorney in Palm Beach, says many of his clients were also Mr. Madoff's clients. "Every big divorce that came through my office had portfolio positions with Madoff," he says.
Two of his investors said that among his clients, Mr. Madoff was considered a money-management legend; they would joke that if Mr. Madoff was a fraud, he'd take down half the world with him.
Richard Spring, a Boca Raton resident and former securities analyst, says he had about $11 million -- or 95% of his net worth -- invested with Mr. Madoff. "That's how much I believed in him," Mr. Spring said.
Mr. Spring says he never was paid a commission, but he received fees from a small investment-research firm that counted Mr. Madoff as a client; he declined to say how much he received. He said investors would always come to him asking to invest with Mr. Madoff. "I never solicited anyone," he says.
Mr. Spring says he never detected signs of impropriety with Mr. Madoff's investing, but he concedes that he may receive some blame from some investors. "I can understand where people who lost money are looking for a scapegoat," he says. "I'm heartbroken that so many people have been hurt so badly."
Mr. Madoff's main go-between in Palm Beach was Robert Jaffe, say several investors. Mr. Jaffe is the son-in-law of Carl Shapiro, the founder and former chairman of apparel company Kay Windsor Inc. and an early investor and close friend of Mr. Madoff's. Mr. Jaffe, a philanthropist in Palm Beach, attracted many investors from the Palm Beach Country Club in Palm Beach, Fla.
A spokeswoman for Mr. Jaffe's family said several family members were investors with Mr. Madoff and were "significantly adversely impacted" by recent events. There are no indications that Mr. Jaffe or Mr. Spring are implicated in the alleged fraud. Mr. Jaffe didn't return messages yesterday.
Other investors stand to lose through their investments with the likes of Fairfield Greenwich Group and Tremont Capital Management, funds of hedge funds that invested their cash with Mr. Madoff.
"Needless to say, our level of anger and dismay over the apparent betrayal by Mr. Madoff and his organization of his 14-year relationship with Tremont is immeasurable," Tremont told clients in a letter Friday.
Fairfield Greenwich said in a statement late Friday that it is trying to assess the extent of potential losses. The firm said that on Nov. 1, it had $7.5 billion in investments connected to Mr. Madoff's firm, slightly more than half of its total assets. Founding partner Jeffrey Tucker said the firm had no indication of any potential wrongdoing. "We are shocked an appalled by this news," he said.
Ms. Manzke, 60, of Maxam Capital Management, said she met Mr. Madoff through investors in the mid-1980s and introduced him to Tremont, where she was then chief executive. That introduction led to Tremont's decision to market Mr. Madoff as a money manager to its own investors, she adds.
In November, she says, Maxam asked to pull $30 million from Mr. Madoff, and he returned the money.
"He was a low-key guy," Ms. Manzke says. "He would say, 'Look, I'm a market-maker, and I don't want anyone to know I'm running money.' It was always for select people. He was always closed, he wasn't taking new money."
Several European investors were also apparent victims. Bramdean Alternatives in the U.K. said it had more than 9% of its portfolio invested in Madoff funds. Geneva-based Banque Benedict Hentsch, a white-glove private bank, said it is exposed for $47.5 million.
BNP Paribas's exposure, the extent of which is not clear, may stem from BNP's lending relationship with a fund of funds that was a big Madoff client, said people familiar with the matter. A BNP spokeswoman declined to comment.
Nomura and Neue Privat Bank, meanwhile, together marketed access to Fairfield Sentry Ltd., a fund overseen by Mr. Madoff and sold through Fairfield Greenwich. The shares offered by Neue Privat and Nomura were leveraged three times -- meaning $3 of borrowed money was added to every $1 of capital invested in order to magnify returns, greatly increasing the potential losses for those investors.
A Nomura spokesman declined to comment. A message left with Neue Privat was not returned.
The federal complaints against Mr. Madoff allege his fraudulent activities came through a secretive private wealth-management wing of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities, the investment firm he founded in 1960. On Wall Street, his company was perhaps better known for its operations in market-making -- the business of serving as a middleman between buyers and sellers -- and proprietary trading.
Through those higher-profile parts of his operation, Mr. Madoff was a pioneer in trading New York Stock Exchange shares away from the exchange. He is a past chairman of the board of directors of the Nasdaq Stock Market as well as a member of the board of governors of the National Association of Securities Dealers and a member of numerous committees of the organization, according to his firm's Web site.
Mr. Madoff owns a home in Roslyn, N.Y., records show, and an elaborate beachfront home and grounds in Montauk on Long Island.
Mr. Madoff and his wife live in an apartment building on Manhattan's Upper East Side where property records list individual apartments valued at more than $5 million. One property database estimated the 2008 market value of Mr. Madoff's two-floor unit to be roughly $9 million. For years he has served as president of the building's co-op board, according to a tenant.
Tenants say he appeared down-to-earth, friendly and always greeted everyone by their first name.
Colleagues of Mr. Madoff said he was fair to those he dealt with and generous to charities including the Special Olympics. Mr. Madoff treated employees well and loved to take friends and colleagues on his 55-foot fishing boat, called Bull, said Frank Christensen, a retired New York Stock Exchange broker. "I really think very highly of him," said Mr. Christensen. "People make mistakes."
Impressionante como tanta gente caiu neste esquema.
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Santander tiene una exposición de 2.330 millones de euros en los vehículos de inversión del broker estadounidense Bernard L. Madoff a través de uno de sus fondos de su gestora Optimal, el Optimal Strategic US Equities, según un comunicado de la entidad presidida por Emilio Botín.
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Este post está completamente perdido... entre a condenação de um povo pela fraude de uma pessoa até atribuir a povos a categoria de "incultos" que compram aquilo que os espertos dos europeus não querem... ufff
Posso lembrar que França é o país de origem daquele trader que (supostamente) fez uma fraude imensa? Também França mereçe o "ladrão que rouba a ladrão"? Vamos já correr com eles da UE
E os "pobres incultos" da América Latina ou são tão pobres que não têm dinheiro para comer (logo não compram nada) ou vivem nas mesmas condições dos europeus, com acesso à mesma informação -- há internet por lá, digo eu.
Bem, vou destilar o mau figado para outro lado...
Posso lembrar que França é o país de origem daquele trader que (supostamente) fez uma fraude imensa? Também França mereçe o "ladrão que rouba a ladrão"? Vamos já correr com eles da UE
E os "pobres incultos" da América Latina ou são tão pobres que não têm dinheiro para comer (logo não compram nada) ou vivem nas mesmas condições dos europeus, com acesso à mesma informação -- há internet por lá, digo eu.
Bem, vou destilar o mau figado para outro lado...
Esta é a vantagem da ambição:
Podes não chegar á Lua
Mas tiraste os pés do chão...
Podes não chegar á Lua
Mas tiraste os pés do chão...
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mcarvalho Escreveu:é como a anedota do gato que também ladra
abraço
mcarvalho
ps. em resumo, diz que aquilo está mal
Abraço
There are two kinds of investors: those who don't know where the market is headed, and those who don't know that they don't know.
William Bernstein
William Bernstein
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Mas qual aumento de capital ? Então houve um de cerca de 8 biliões, cujas acções começaram a cotar no passado dia 4/12 e já falam de outro ? Na América latina ?
Já agora, o último aumento de capital foi inteiramente subscrito pelos accionistas,
provavelmente também haverá alguns Argentinos, Brasileiros, Colombianos, e.. ...Portugueses (como eu !)
Já agora, o último aumento de capital foi inteiramente subscrito pelos accionistas,
provavelmente também haverá alguns Argentinos, Brasileiros, Colombianos, e.. ...Portugueses (como eu !)
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Não disse nada disso ...nem falei em activos tóxicos.
Disse apenas e reafirmo é que o Santander cujo modelo de crescimento assentou em muito na América Latina ( adquirindo Bancos em troca da emissão de acções Santander )deverá tentar colocar o aumento de capital onde fôr possível -- e , na minha modesta opinião, será mais possível na América Latina.
Em Portugal não me parece que tenha grande sucesso , Na GB onde possui 2 grandes bancos muito menos , em Espanha a crise é grave , pelo que , a solução poderá passar pela AL.
Não entendo as ilacções...mas também já não quero entender.
E reafirmo que lhe falta boa educação para poder postar construtivamente com outros "forenses"
Assunto encerrado
Disse apenas e reafirmo é que o Santander cujo modelo de crescimento assentou em muito na América Latina ( adquirindo Bancos em troca da emissão de acções Santander )deverá tentar colocar o aumento de capital onde fôr possível -- e , na minha modesta opinião, será mais possível na América Latina.
Em Portugal não me parece que tenha grande sucesso , Na GB onde possui 2 grandes bancos muito menos , em Espanha a crise é grave , pelo que , a solução poderá passar pela AL.
Não entendo as ilacções...mas também já não quero entender.
E reafirmo que lhe falta boa educação para poder postar construtivamente com outros "forenses"
Assunto encerrado
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LUSO$$$ Escreveu:Olha lá ò rk0r794
Limita-te a dar tua opinião, a discordar da dos outros ... mas , com educação e principios.
Se não sabes participar num forum estás sempre a tempo de aprender.
Boa educação é o que precisas
O que queria dizer e mantenho é a formula mágica ao dizer que vendia o que era tóxico à America Latina.
Lembre-se que não pode viver, com a miséria dos outros.
Esse discurso, para mim é falta de educação e de principios democráticos. Contudo, a sua mensagem é corrente na nossa sociedade.
Por fim, desejo-lhe boa sorte nos negócios, mas não tente aldrabar os outros.
Enriqueça com o seu trabalho.
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mega fraude
Não há dúvida que se começa a viver tempos de "pré-guerra" e não é a primeira vez que ouço isso, se não contarmos com a guerra, mais ou menos pouco convencional, que se vive já no mundo inteiro com o fudamentalismo islamico.
Infelizmente este fundamentalismo está a atrair muita maasa humana que se sente excluida, pobre, ameaçada, entalada, desempregada e que acaba por ver nestas filosofias radicais (nesta ou noutra) uma oportunidade de ordem que não conseguem encontrar na situação actual.
Só falta um rastilho! A Grécia, e antes, a França são exemplos do descontentamento geral e da exclusão.
Não sei qual o remédio para isto, mas a guerra não é de certeza, nem regimes totalitários.
Mas que isto vai mal, vai! mesmo muito mal!!
(Estou muito bear para 2009, a contar já com o piorar da crise financeira, o aumento do desemprego, mais falencias a anunciar, a queda do dólar, o refúgio em commoditties e a quebra dos índices)
Abraço
Clinico
Infelizmente este fundamentalismo está a atrair muita maasa humana que se sente excluida, pobre, ameaçada, entalada, desempregada e que acaba por ver nestas filosofias radicais (nesta ou noutra) uma oportunidade de ordem que não conseguem encontrar na situação actual.
Só falta um rastilho! A Grécia, e antes, a França são exemplos do descontentamento geral e da exclusão.
Não sei qual o remédio para isto, mas a guerra não é de certeza, nem regimes totalitários.
Mas que isto vai mal, vai! mesmo muito mal!!
(Estou muito bear para 2009, a contar já com o piorar da crise financeira, o aumento do desemprego, mais falencias a anunciar, a queda do dólar, o refúgio em commoditties e a quebra dos índices)
Abraço
Clinico
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daqui por 10 anos saberemos o que aconteceu em Portugal
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Verzend BNP Paribas is mogelijk één van de slachtoffers van de miljardenfraude van Bernard Madoff. Dat schrijft The Wall Street Journal (WSJ). Wall Street-veteraan Madoff maakte met het grootste piramidespel ooit grote beleggers als hefboomfondsen, baseballtyconen, countryclubmiljonairs en Zwitserse privaatbankiers tot 50 miljard dollar lichter.
(tijd) - Wall Street krijgt in de nadagen van zijn ‘annus horribilis’ 2008 een zoveelste schok te verwerken, via de arrestatie van Wall Street-veteraan Bernard Madoff. Madoff zelf raamde zijn oplichting op 50 miljard dollar, een claim die aanvankelijk op ongeloof stootte.
Dat ongeloof maakt stilaan plaats voor consternatie. Volgens The Wall Street Journal heeft het kruim van de financiële wereld zijn broek gescheurd aan wat wel eens de grootste financiële fraude aller tijden zou kunnen blijken. Slachtoffers zijn onder meer Fred Wilpon, eigenaar van het New York Mets-baseballteam, het hefboomfonds Fairfield Greenwich, het Japanse beurshuis Nomura Holdings, de Zwitserse privaatbankier Neue Privat Bank en de Franse bankgroep BNP Paribas.
Fairfield Greenwich alleen heeft 7,5 miljard dollar van zijn beleggersgelden, de helft van zijn beheerd vermogen, aan Madoff toevertrouwd. BNP Paribas is onrechtstreeks betrokken als financier van een dakfonds, dat op zijn beurt een grote klant van Madoff was. Een BNP-woordvoerster wou aan de WSJ geen commentaar kwijt.
'Invitation only'
Madoff richtte beurshuis Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities op in 1960. De fraude slaat vooral op de weinig transparante vermogensbeheertak van het beurshuis. Madoff zou die vermogensbeheertak vooral uitgebouwd hebben door in de betere country- en golfclubs van New York, Boston, Dallas en andere grootsteden en exclusieve resorts als Palm Beach in Florida vrienden te posteren, die rijke beleggers warm moesten maken voor Madoff.
Dat Madoff ‘invitation only’ was, verhoogde bij de jet set die ‘uitgenodigd’ werd zijn geld aan de Wall Street-veteraan toe te vertrouwen blijkbaar alleen maar het cachet. Wall Street krabt zich nu in de haren en vraagt zich af hoe het mogelijk was dat heel financieel New York en de beurstoezichthouder SEC het ‘Ponzi-piramidespel’ van Madoff niet eerder ontdekten. Bij een Ponzi-spel belooft een zwendelaar hoge rendementen. Hij keert de eerste beleggers die grote returns ook effectief uit met de gelden die latere investeerders toevertrouwen. De naam komt van de Italiaan Charles Ponzi, die in 1920 in Boston een legendarische zwendel opzette met internationale postcoupons.
Bij Madoff waren niet zozeer de omvang van de returns verdacht, wel zijn consistentie met een stabiele maandelijkse return van ongeveer 1 procent ongeacht het beursklimaat. Die bleek achteraf gezien even verdacht als de consistente groei van de kwartaalwinst die Enron in de jaren 90 kon voorleggen. Dat een obscuur revisorenkantoor als enige de boeken van Madoff controleerde, wekte blijkbaar evenmin argwaan.
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More Business & Investing News... ZURICH (Reuters) - Geneva-based banks and investment funds have lost more than 5 billion Swiss francs ($4.22 billion) in the alleged $50 billion fraud by former Nasdaq chairman Bernard Madoff, Swiss newspaper Le Temps reported on Saturday.
Union Bancaire Privee (UBP), a leading bank for investment in funds of hedge funds, has lost about 1 billion Swiss francs, said Le Temps, which spoke to various unnamed banking sources for its article.
A spokesman for UBP said the bank had no comment with regards to the article. UBP had 127 billion Swiss francs of assets under management at the end of June.
Geneva-based private bank Benedict Hentsch said on Friday its exposure to Madoff products was 56 million francs, or 5 percent of its asset under management.
The bank merged three months ago with alternative investment specialist Fairfield Greenwich Group, which has invested $7.5 billion or half of its assets in one of the funds set up by Madoff.
Le Temps quoted one of Benedict Hentsch's partners as saying he and another partner were rushing to New York to break the agreement with Fairfield.
The EIM Group, active in hedge funds, has said it is affected by $230 million or about 2 percent of its $11.5 billion assets under management, the paper reported. No one was available to answer phone calls at the bank and there was no reply to a request for comment via email.
Le Temps also said that Notz, Stucki & Cie, a group that offers portfolio management for wealthy individuals, has also been hit by the Madoff scandal. No one was available to answer phone calls at the bank and a phone message was not returned.
The vast majority of Geneva-based family offices have also been touched by the Madoff scandal, the newspaper said. Benbassat & Cie had invested 1.1 billion francs in the Madoff funds, Le Temps said. Telephone calls to the bank were not answered an email message was not returned.
Private bank Syz & Co told Le Temps that its 3A fund was not exposed to Madoff. But it did not give details about a possible direct exposure of its private banking clients, the paper said.
Bank Pictet & Cie said it had "never chosen any of the funds linked to Bernard Madoff in our hedge funds investment strategy."
Thierry Lombard, of private bank Lombard Odier Darier Hentsch, was quoted as saying: "the Madoff universe has never been on our list of in-house funds nor in any of the open architecture funds."
Private bank Mirabaud said: "We have an exposure of a few millions, not of tens of millions."
The Man Group, GAM -- controlled by Julius Baer (BAER.VX: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), Gottex (GFMN.S: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and Rotschild said they are out of trouble.
Julius Baer told Reuters on Friday it had no direct exposure. UBS (UBSN.VX: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) said its exposure was limited and insignificant.
($1=1.184 Swiss Franc)
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Verzend BNP Paribas is mogelijk één van de slachtoffers van de miljardenfraude van Bernard Madoff. Dat schrijft The Wall Street Journal (WSJ). Wall Street-veteraan Madoff maakte met het grootste piramidespel ooit grote beleggers als hefboomfondsen, baseballtyconen, countryclubmiljonairs en Zwitserse privaatbankiers tot 50 miljard dollar lichter.
(tijd) - Wall Street krijgt in de nadagen van zijn ‘annus horribilis’ 2008 een zoveelste schok te verwerken, via de arrestatie van Wall Street-veteraan Bernard Madoff. Madoff zelf raamde zijn oplichting op 50 miljard dollar, een claim die aanvankelijk op ongeloof stootte.
Dat ongeloof maakt stilaan plaats voor consternatie. Volgens The Wall Street Journal heeft het kruim van de financiële wereld zijn broek gescheurd aan wat wel eens de grootste financiële fraude aller tijden zou kunnen blijken. Slachtoffers zijn onder meer Fred Wilpon, eigenaar van het New York Mets-baseballteam, het hefboomfonds Fairfield Greenwich, het Japanse beurshuis Nomura Holdings, de Zwitserse privaatbankier Neue Privat Bank en de Franse bankgroep BNP Paribas.
Fairfield Greenwich alleen heeft 7,5 miljard dollar van zijn beleggersgelden, de helft van zijn beheerd vermogen, aan Madoff toevertrouwd. BNP Paribas is onrechtstreeks betrokken als financier van een dakfonds, dat op zijn beurt een grote klant van Madoff was. Een BNP-woordvoerster wou aan de WSJ geen commentaar kwijt.
'Invitation only'
Madoff richtte beurshuis Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities op in 1960. De fraude slaat vooral op de weinig transparante vermogensbeheertak van het beurshuis. Madoff zou die vermogensbeheertak vooral uitgebouwd hebben door in de betere country- en golfclubs van New York, Boston, Dallas en andere grootsteden en exclusieve resorts als Palm Beach in Florida vrienden te posteren, die rijke beleggers warm moesten maken voor Madoff.
Dat Madoff ‘invitation only’ was, verhoogde bij de jet set die ‘uitgenodigd’ werd zijn geld aan de Wall Street-veteraan toe te vertrouwen blijkbaar alleen maar het cachet. Wall Street krabt zich nu in de haren en vraagt zich af hoe het mogelijk was dat heel financieel New York en de beurstoezichthouder SEC het ‘Ponzi-piramidespel’ van Madoff niet eerder ontdekten. Bij een Ponzi-spel belooft een zwendelaar hoge rendementen. Hij keert de eerste beleggers die grote returns ook effectief uit met de gelden die latere investeerders toevertrouwen. De naam komt van de Italiaan Charles Ponzi, die in 1920 in Boston een legendarische zwendel opzette met internationale postcoupons.
Bij Madoff waren niet zozeer de omvang van de returns verdacht, wel zijn consistentie met een stabiele maandelijkse return van ongeveer 1 procent ongeacht het beursklimaat. Die bleek achteraf gezien even verdacht als de consistente groei van de kwartaalwinst die Enron in de jaren 90 kon voorleggen. Dat een obscuur revisorenkantoor als enige de boeken van Madoff controleerde, wekte blijkbaar evenmin argwaan.
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More Business & Investing News... ZURICH (Reuters) - Geneva-based banks and investment funds have lost more than 5 billion Swiss francs ($4.22 billion) in the alleged $50 billion fraud by former Nasdaq chairman Bernard Madoff, Swiss newspaper Le Temps reported on Saturday.
Union Bancaire Privee (UBP), a leading bank for investment in funds of hedge funds, has lost about 1 billion Swiss francs, said Le Temps, which spoke to various unnamed banking sources for its article.
A spokesman for UBP said the bank had no comment with regards to the article. UBP had 127 billion Swiss francs of assets under management at the end of June.
Geneva-based private bank Benedict Hentsch said on Friday its exposure to Madoff products was 56 million francs, or 5 percent of its asset under management.
The bank merged three months ago with alternative investment specialist Fairfield Greenwich Group, which has invested $7.5 billion or half of its assets in one of the funds set up by Madoff.
Le Temps quoted one of Benedict Hentsch's partners as saying he and another partner were rushing to New York to break the agreement with Fairfield.
The EIM Group, active in hedge funds, has said it is affected by $230 million or about 2 percent of its $11.5 billion assets under management, the paper reported. No one was available to answer phone calls at the bank and there was no reply to a request for comment via email.
Le Temps also said that Notz, Stucki & Cie, a group that offers portfolio management for wealthy individuals, has also been hit by the Madoff scandal. No one was available to answer phone calls at the bank and a phone message was not returned.
The vast majority of Geneva-based family offices have also been touched by the Madoff scandal, the newspaper said. Benbassat & Cie had invested 1.1 billion francs in the Madoff funds, Le Temps said. Telephone calls to the bank were not answered an email message was not returned.
Private bank Syz & Co told Le Temps that its 3A fund was not exposed to Madoff. But it did not give details about a possible direct exposure of its private banking clients, the paper said.
Bank Pictet & Cie said it had "never chosen any of the funds linked to Bernard Madoff in our hedge funds investment strategy."
Thierry Lombard, of private bank Lombard Odier Darier Hentsch, was quoted as saying: "the Madoff universe has never been on our list of in-house funds nor in any of the open architecture funds."
Private bank Mirabaud said: "We have an exposure of a few millions, not of tens of millions."
The Man Group, GAM -- controlled by Julius Baer (BAER.VX: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), Gottex (GFMN.S: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) and Rotschild said they are out of trouble.
Julius Baer told Reuters on Friday it had no direct exposure. UBS (UBSN.VX: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) said its exposure was limited and insignificant.
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(Writing by Lisa Jucca)
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LUSO$$$ Escreveu:O Deutsche Bank foi o primeiro a assumir prejuízos da mega fraude do Madoff.
A cotação desceu de imediato mas acabou por recuperar ... "no passa nada".
O Santander que já tem maior capitalização bolsista que o Citi Bank há-de tentar vender o aumento de capital pela América Latina ... aqui pela Europa ninguém anda a dormir.
Em qualquer caso é inacreditável e inaceitável que uma mega fraude destas possa passar assim ao jeito de notícia de pé de página.
O mal disto tudo é "há-de tentar vender o aumento de capital pela América Latina ... aqui pela Europa ninguém anda a dormir.
Será que a américa latina são uns coitadinhos. Tenha juízo.
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O Deutsche Bank foi o primeiro a assumir prejuízos da mega fraude do Madoff.
A cotação desceu de imediato mas acabou por recuperar ... "no passa nada".
O Santander que já tem maior capitalização bolsista que o Citi Bank há-de tentar vender o aumento de capital pela América Latina ... aqui pela Europa ninguém anda a dormir.
Em qualquer caso é inacreditável e inaceitável que uma mega fraude destas possa passar assim ao jeito de notícia de pé de página.
A cotação desceu de imediato mas acabou por recuperar ... "no passa nada".
O Santander que já tem maior capitalização bolsista que o Citi Bank há-de tentar vender o aumento de capital pela América Latina ... aqui pela Europa ninguém anda a dormir.
Em qualquer caso é inacreditável e inaceitável que uma mega fraude destas possa passar assim ao jeito de notícia de pé de página.
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Re: Madoff
Clinico Escreveu:RK, perdeste a razão. Começaste bem. acabaste mal.
A fraude é sempre uma fraude. Se Israel é o que mais perde, infelizmente é porque deve haver perdas enormes nas sociedades filantrópicas a que este homem estava assossiado. E isso torna o facto ainda pior.
Abraço
Clinico
O que eu queria dizer é que muitas vezes a ambição cega o ser humano.
E neste patamar, não é israel o que mais perde, mas sim toda a humanidade, a começar por aqueles que não t~em dinheiro para comer.
As ajudas dos países mais desenvolvidos começam a escassear e assim aumenta a mortalidade nestes países.
Caro clinico, a sgrandes guerras começam assim. Veja o que aconteceu em França, agora na Grécia, e no futuro nos EUA.
Razão tina oliveira Costa em construir um bunker.
O dinheiro cega as pessoas.
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Madoff
RK, perdeste a razão. Começaste bem. acabaste mal.
A fraude é sempre uma fraude. Se Israel é o que mais perde, infelizmente é porque deve haver perdas enormes nas sociedades filantrópicas a que este homem estava assossiado. E isso torna o facto ainda pior.
Abraço
Clinico
A fraude é sempre uma fraude. Se Israel é o que mais perde, infelizmente é porque deve haver perdas enormes nas sociedades filantrópicas a que este homem estava assossiado. E isso torna o facto ainda pior.
Abraço
Clinico
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Pata-Hari Escreveu:também não percebi essa agora, rk:?!ladrão que rouba ladrãodiz-me que não é um comentário xenófobo, por favor. Rapidamente.
Não é um comentário xenófobo.
Admiro o povo judeu.Contudo, não aceito o que fazem aos palestinianos.
OK
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É incrivel a falta de supervisão, mas é curioso que na decada de 60 , também houve uma vaga semelhante de fraudes, de fundos de fundos as IOS e outros, mas a história repete-se.
Mas o circo não para , só que desta vez a destruição de capital é incrivel, e está afectar as familias poderosas dos EUA e Europa.
Vamos ver os próximos capitulos , este pesadelo não acaba!
Mas o circo não para , só que desta vez a destruição de capital é incrivel, e está afectar as familias poderosas dos EUA e Europa.
Vamos ver os próximos capitulos , este pesadelo não acaba!
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Israel
O país mais afectado com esta gigantesca fraude é Israel.
Dizem, quem rouba a ladrão tem mil anos de perdão.
espero, sinceramente que isto não seja o inicio da 3 guerra mundial.
Dizem, quem rouba a ladrão tem mil anos de perdão.
espero, sinceramente que isto não seja o inicio da 3 guerra mundial.
Editado pela última vez por rk0r794 em 14/12/2008 15:39, num total de 1 vez.
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Também o El Mundo faz eco da noticia.
Fonte El Mundo http://www.elmundo.es/mundodinero/2008/ ... 51575.html
ES EL SEGUNDO MAYOR FRAUDE DE EEUU
La estafa de un 'broker' de Wall Street provoca 3.000 millones de pérdidas en España
Bernard Madoff causó pérdidas de 38.000 millones de euros a sus clientes
El fraude afecta a las inversiones de bancos como el Santander y BBVA
Actualizado domingo 14/12/2008 08:58
MADRID.- El segundo mayor escándalo de la industria financiera estadounidense, llevado a cabo por el magnate de Wall Street y ex presidente de Nasdaq, Bernard L. Madoff, podría tener un impacto multimillonario en España, donde varios 'hedge funds' y boutiques de inversión habrían expuesto hasta 3.000 millones de euros en vehículos diseñados por este estafador.
La detención de Madoff, que controla la firma financiera Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities, uno de los mayores 'brokers' norteamericanos, significa destapar el segundo mayor escándalo en EEUU, después de Enron, y podría afectar hasta un total de 50.000 millones de dólares (unos 38.000 millones de euros), repartidos por todo el mundo.
De esta cantidad, alrededor de 3.000 millones, según las primeras estimaciones, podrían proceder de España, concretamente de clientes de compañías de renombre dentro del área de gestión de patrimonios como Santander, Banif, BBVA y M&B Capital Advisers, según publica hoy el diario 'Expansión'. Además, este diario cita a filiales españolas de grandes bancos de inversión, que podrían haber atraído capital español hacia varios fondos de Madoff.
En el caso del Santander, las inversiones contaminadas proceden, según fuentes del sector, de su vehículo de inversión alternativa Optimal. Además, su filial de banca privada Banif cuenta con un fondo de 'hedge funds' denominado Banif Fairfield Impala que está expuesto a vehículos fraudulentos.
Confesó que estaba en la ruina
Concretamente este fondo de Banif está cogestionado por Fairfield Greenwich, una gestora alternativa con una exposición a Madoff superior a los 5.600 millones de euros. Fuentes del Santander consultadas por este diario no quisieron hacer ninguna declaración acerca de su exposición a estos fondos.
El resto de inversiones españolas contaminadas en esta estructura fraudulenta procederían, según fuentes del sector, de diversas gestoras de grandes patrimonios con alta exposición a los 'hedge funds', fondos de inversión alternativa que destacan por su mayor exposición al riesgo, alto apalancamiento, y la búsqueda de rentabilidades en cualquier situación del mercado.
El fraude de Bernard Madoff fue descubierto el pasado jueves por el FBI después de que el propio magnate hubiese reconocido ante sus empleados que estaba en la ruina y que todo era una estafa con agujero de unos 38.000 millones de euros.
Madoff aseguró al FBI haber creado una estructura piramidal según la cual la entrada de nuevo patrimonio servía para pagar las rentabilidades de los inversores que ya estaban presentes en la sociedad.
Madoff, de 70 años, es un viejo conocido en Wall Street y un reputado inversor dentro del selecto círculo financiero del bajo Manhattan. Durante varios años ocupó el máximo cargo de Nasdaq, el mercado de valores tecnológicos de Nueva York y uno de los índices más importantes del mundo.
El vehículo con el que Madoff ha ideado semejante fraude fue creado en 1960 con un patrimonio bajo gestión de alrededor de 3.000 millones de euros. A partir de ese momento, de la sociedad matriz aparecieron distintos vehículos de inversión, entre los que destacaron Fairfield Sentry, gestionado por Fairfield Greenwich Group –la cogestora de Banif–, y Kingate Global Fund, ambos con un patrimonio conjunto superior a los 7.000 millones de euros, informa Reuters.
Éstos y otros vehículos creados por Madoff ofrecían a los inversores rentabilidades muy superiores a la media, lo que conseguía atraer cada vez más capital. Las mayores inversiones en estos fondos proceden de Florida y de Nueva York. Además, países como Suiza, Israel y Austria, además de España, podrían tener expuestas grandes cantidades de dinero en estos vehículos.
Fonte El Mundo http://www.elmundo.es/mundodinero/2008/ ... 51575.html
Cumprimentos,
Cap. Nemo
Cap. Nemo
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El colosal fraude de un bróker de EEUU causa pérdidas millonarias en España
Publicado el 13-12-08 , por J. Zuloaga / J. J. Andrés
El sector de la inversión española recibió ayer uno de sus mayores golpes de los últimos años. La detención por fraude de Bernard L. Madoff, ex presidente de Nasdaq y dueño de un bróker norteamericano con su apellido como marca, ha desatado la alarma en la banca privada española. Esta presunta estafa, la segunda mayor de la historia por detrás de Enron, podría tener un gran impacto entre hedge fund y grandes patrimonios españoles.
Las primeras estimaciones apuntan a que estos sectores ha invertido más de 3.000 millones de euros en vehículos de inversión que tenían a vehículos diseñados por Madoff.
De ser ciertos estos cálculos, supondrían un impacto todavía mayor que el que causaron los productos estructurados ligados a Lehman Brothers a mediados de septiembre, de entre 1.300 y 2.600 millones de euros.
El golpe al sector de banca privada española podría ser incluso mayor que el de Lehman Brothers
Según fuentes de EXPANSIÓN, clientes de Santander, de la sociedad de valores M&B Capital Advisers Gestión, de Javier Botín (hijo de Emilio Botín) y Emilio Morenés (marido de Ana Patricia Botín), de BBVA y algunas de las principales entidades financieras extranjeras con negocios de banca privada en España, son algunos de los principales afectados por este nuevo escándalo financiero.
Reunión de urgencia
De hecho, según ha podido saber este periódico, algunas gestoras se reunieron de forma apresurada ayer mismo por la mañana en la zona de Torre Picasso de Madrid para tratar el impacto del escándalo.
La entidad presidida por Emilio Botín habría invertido para sus clientes en fondos ligados a Madoff a través de los hedge fund de Optimal, su filial de gestión alternativa, por un valor total de 3.200 millones de dólares a nivel global. Además, Banif dispone de un fondo de fondos hedge (fondos de inversión que invierte en otros hedge fund), Banif Fairfield Impala, que está expuesto a Madoff. Este fondo tiene 90 millones de euros de patrimonio bajo gestión, según las últimas cifras de Inverco.
En el caso de M&B, diferentes expertos consultados señalan que podría haber distribuido entre sus clientes productos con exposición a Madoff por valor de 700 millones de euros.
Por su parte, fuentes oficiales de BBVA han negado haber distribuido productos ligados a Madoff entre sus clientes minoristas y de banca privada. Desde el sector señalan que el departamento de Tesorería del banco habría emitido durante los últimos años productos estructurados sobre hedge fund que están actualmente salpicados por el segundo mayor escándalo financiero de la historia.
Los representantes de las principales gestoras del país se reunieron ayer con urgencia en Torre Picasso
La alarma estalló el jueves de madrugada, cuando el FBI detuvo a Bernard L. Madoff después de que reconociese haber estafado a inversores por valor de 50.000 millones de dólares (38.000 millones de euros) mediante un sistema de ahorro piramidal. De esta forma, los vehículos de inversión de Madoff obtenían rentabilidad en función del dinero que iba entrando en ellos. Cuanta más rentabilidad registraban más inversores se aproximaban a Madoff engordando los retornos que ofrecían estos productos.
De estos 50.000 millones de dólares, buena parte se han captado en Europa de la mano de la firma de inversión de hedge fund Fairfield.
Esta gestora tiene una gran presencia en España, hasta el punto de que su fundador y consejero delegado para Europa, Andres Piedrahita, vive y hace negocios en Madrid desde hace varios años. En total, Fairfield lleva comercializando sus productos cerca de diez años.
Un gancho ficticio
Las atractivas rentabilidades superiores a un 10% que habían logrado mantener los productos de Madoff todos los años atrajeron la atención de grandes fortunas españolas y entidades de banca privada. Fuentes del sector reconocieron que “casi todas los grandes fortunas españolas tienen invertido dinero indirectamente en vehículos de Madoff”.
Según estas fuentes, los bancos privados que han vendido activamente hedge fund tienen productos contaminados dado que este gestor era una de las estrellas de la industria y era un polo de atracción de decenas de hedge fund.
Sin embargo, otras aseguran que “Les conocíamos desde hace mucho tiempo y teníamos sospechas de que era un fraude. Los números eran muy atractivos, pero en cuanto mirabas con un poco de atención era patente que sus auditorías tenían huecos”, señala un gestor de hedge fund español que asegura que nunca invirtió en Madoff porque le olía a “fraude”.
De esta forma, expertos del sector culpan a la SEC(regulador norteamericano) y los responsables de las gestoras de fondos y la banca privada de no haber sido capaces de detectar el fraude antes de que el FBI haya detenido a Bernard Madoff.
La caída de un peso pesado de Wall Street
Bernard Madoff es uno de los brókeres más veteranos de Wall Street, donde ha trabajado durante más de cincuenta años. Madoff, nacido en 1938, fundó su propia compañía, Madoff Investment Securities, en 1960, de la que todavía es presidente.
Esta sociedad fue una de las que participó en la creación del Nasdaq, contribución que sirvió para que Madoff ocupara la presidencia del parqué neoyorquino. El financiero también contaba con un negocio independiente de asesoramiento, que gestiona activos por valor de unos 17.100 millones de dólares.
Su cuartel general está situado en el edificio Lipstick, en el centro de Manhattan, donde ayer se concentraron alrededor de una docena de inversores airados contra Madoff, informa Gemma Martínez desde Nueva York.
Fonte Expansion.com http://www.expansion.com/2008/12/12/inv ... 20715.html
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